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My Mother… Lynda Schultz - The Martyr

Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
health, alzheimers, moms, dementia, heath-care, grandmas, family-care
By robertlyn-schultz

My Mom and my Grandma... in better times (only a few months ago)

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Oi, My Mother… I love her dearly, but Oh Boy can she irritate me at times.

I am currently sitting here with my grandma in Seal Beach, and my Mom has just gone out to do her/their shopping and other errands. This is a regular thing for me to do for the past 10 months or so - ever since my grandma’s Alzheimer's/Dementia began to really kick-in.

My mother has been in residence with grandma 24/7 except when someone can come and relieve her. This has been hard on my mom… what with watching her mom deteriorate a little more ever day. The effects are beginning to pile-up on her psyche and it is getting no better (it helps not, her oldest son [me] being a Hyper, Impatient, and sometimes Extremely Grumpy type guy).

Well today I told her to take a few hours for herself… I was fine hanging out for as long as she wanted me too. “Go to a movie or a park” I said. And that started a nice convo with mom about how “You just don’t get it after 10 months, Do You?” and “I have too much to do and not enough time to take a bath much less take in a movie!”.

OK fine, “Then take 15 freaking minutes for yourself and stop by the Seal Beach pier and go for a walk over the water” I say.

Mom - “Don’t Tell Me What To Do!”
Me - “It was just a suggestion”

Oi… this is not new behavior for her though… she has always been Fiercely Independent, Straightforward (to the point of being rude), and Very Strong Willed - but there is something about accepting anything Help, Gifts, even Suggestions that she just rejects out of hand. I think that it is a combination of her strong Scandinavian spirit and a truly poor (financially) childhood that has led to this end. I have tried with little success in explaining that rejecting gifts Dishonors the giver and Diminishes herself in the process. I was more successful in converting her to Libertarian thought, so I guess it is a push overall.

She may be on the verge of a breakdown (she sure is talking about one enough), but as she has stated to me many times “As long as grandma wants to live in her home and we can help her, we will put our wants and desires on hold.”, so a change in course is more likely in Iraq than here in Grandma’s Apt., Seal Beach CA.

I just hope my mom can find a balance to this situation and not end-up some kind of Martyr to the Alter of Family Responsibility.

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robertlyn-schultz

Hey Y'all,

I wrote this yesterday... was not sure if I was going to post it, even as I wrote it. I don't want to bring anyone down or anything, ya'know.

Any way... I obviously decided.

Have a good'un everybody,

Aloha

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Everybody!

I will get to everyone here... eventually, but for now I'm a bit rushed, so I am just Shouting my Thanks to You All!

Sat. my mother had back to back relief, and she came up to Santa Ana to walk "her" dog Lobo, see her smartest and best looking son (me), and then we had dinner together. She read to comments from you guys (up to that time) over dinner and she gained some comfort in Your Kind Words.

So again Thank You All! :^)

Be back soon,

Aloha

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
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Lisafrequency

You sound like a real good son I know your mama must be proud! :)

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Lisa,

My batt is dieing... be back soon

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

OK, Back again.

Thank you for saying so... but truth be told I am a pain in the butt, but a helpful one, I like to think. :^)

Have a great evening,

Aloha

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:18 AM EDT
hoodie_81

happy for the honesty

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Wed Jul 7, 2010 8:08 PM EDT
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ralphie-311535

My mother had alzheimer's. I had promised my dad before he died that we kids would never put her in a nursing home. Well, after she set her electric chair on fire, my brother wanted to institutionalize her but I fought him. So we got a private nurse and she fell in front of the nurse and broke her shoulder and elbow. I could see that my brother had had it, and, because I lived out of state and he was bearing the brunt of the illness, I agreed and we put her in a home. The last time I saw my mother she didn't even know who I was. I had some of my grandkids with me and she didn't even look at them at first and then thought they were her children.

I guess my point is that Alzheimer's is one of the most difficult illnesses for a family to deal with. It just saps the strength of the main care giver. It's wonderful that your mom wants to keep her in her home. But it will get to be too much for her to handle and you may have to step in knowing that, in time, your grandmother won't know where she is anyway. Parents can be stubborn so the one you will have to watch is your mom. This is one of the most draining diseases I've ever seen.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Heya Ralphie,

Yep, this Alzheimer's is a bitch! I do believe I would rather suffer being Drawn & Quartered than slowly wilting away with little or no Will to speak of.

I just hate to see my once vibrant and engaged Grandma turn into a very hollow copy of what once she was. It may be bad/sad for me... but it is hell on my mother, that is for sure.

Thanks for the words of experience and wisdom.

Have a great night my friend,

Aloha

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:28 AM EDT
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Loretta Kemsley

I was lucky both my parents died of things other than Alzheimer's. Even so, it was hard watching them deteriorate. I wanted them to be the people I'd always known, not the person wasting away. My dad died when I was 48. I felt like a tiny orphan. Silly, yes, but real.

I can't imagine how much harder it would be to deal with Alzheimers. I can empathize with your mom because she's not just coping with what I experienced but seeing her mother's memory die. Our memory defines who we are.

Bless you for being there for her -- even when she's out of sorts. That's grief talking. There is a need to do it all because you know that someday way too soon you won't be able to do anymore to do for them. My dad died in 1993 and I still feel like I should make him a birthday dinner or buy him a card for father's day. Besides, being busy keeps you from thinking too much.

But you didn't mention taking care of you. That's just as important. She's your grandma. I never knew my grandparents. Two of of them lived thousands of miles away, so I only met them once or twice. The other two died before I was born. I'm proud you are there for her and hope you are able to say to her all the things you've always wanted to say. I didn't with my mom, and I've always regretted that. I made sure I did with Dad. It made it easier after he was gone.

They are our heroes. It's good to say it to them out loud. Good for them. Good for us too.

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 12:42 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Loretta,

Thanks so much for you kind words, and you hit many good points! :^)

I must say that the little help that I am able to give my family is not a burden to me, it is just what needs doing right now. I am honored to be able to help my grandma and my mother, and it will never begin to even the scales of all they have done for me over the past 42 years on this rock.

About who takes care of me? Oh No Worries... I have 5 of the best mental health counselors ever invented - my own Pack of Siberian Huskies!

Have a great evening,

Aloha

  • 10 votes
#4.1 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:38 AM EDT
Loretta Kemsley

I have my critters too....horses, dogs and cats...oh, and the wild birds who think my place is a restuarant....what would I do without them?

  • 8 votes
#4.2 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 8:20 AM EDT
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RACHEL1-933952

My mom sounds a lot like yours..even if she's Irish! Strong, stubborn, independent with a bit of the martyr.

I've yet to deal with anything that you and yours are facing....Gram's going to be 96 this month and has her full faculties, dad is just fine and mom thinks she's losing it, just haven't had the heart to tell her she's always been forgetful...nothing new there! :)

Hope you think of yourself in all that you are dealing with and my thoughts are with you!

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 12:50 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Rachel1,

Oh these Moms, what to do... eh? :^)

I am glad that your grands are doing good... cherish them.

Thank you so very much for your comment.

Have a great night,

Aloha

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:41 AM EDT
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Decurion_505

Tough row to hoe, my brother. I was just a kid when my Grandma started slipping and by the time I was a teenager it was pretty bad. Got worse after Grandpa passed. thankfully we had plenty of family nearby to help out. I feel for ya Sapper, I really do.

  • 8 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:40 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Heya Airborne,

Ya'know what I've noticed Dec? My Grandma does not laugh anymore... I can get her to smile ever now and then... but she has not laughed in a long time, That Bites (all by it's self).

Thanks Brother - Like I told Missileman last week... I don't want my grandma to die, but really there is not much of my grandma there most of the time. Oh yeah there are times of lucidity, but that is just "Phantom Clearness" really. How I wish her Christian God would "Call her home" - that is all she has wanted for the past three years or so now (another minor irritation for me, on a couple of levels), but he is absent without leave (as usual).

Ah Well, this to shall pass.

Thanks again Brother

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 8 votes
#6.1 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:55 AM EDT
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Robert Erickson

robertlyn, I'm sorry to hear of your grandmother's condition. Your mom's devotion to her, is a good thing. We all respond to these things, according to our gifts, she's using hers. You tried to use yours. Moms, sheeeeesh. I won't burden you here, since your plate is full, but I have some doozie stories of my own. I am glad mine, and yours, are still around, though. As far as being a helpful pain in the butt, maybe we can start a group, I'm certainly qualified. (:

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:50 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Robert,

Thank you kindly, Sir.

Argh Moms! Got to love'm, eh? (grumble, mumble, snort)

Gotz to keep laughing or the tears will catch-up! :^)

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 6 votes
#7.1 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 2:00 AM EDT
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larrrs

Ah man Robert I feel for ya bud. Not easy at all; sounds like you are givin' it what ya can though. The thing is they will never get it and that's that. Nuttin mean about it, it's just the way it is. The beauty is in the ride man, not reachin' the destination. Just keep lovin on your family and being thankful, and of course blowin the steam on your buds when ya need to.

I live a thousand miles away from my Mom and Dad. The last time I got into any kind of a row with my Mom was about two years ago over some of the same issues you expressed today. She needs to stop driving and my Dad needs a hearing-aid but neither of them will listen to their children at all. After a heated debate I suggested to Mom that we go sit on the fron porch and torch a fatty-she blew a gasket; she also hasn't argued with me about anything since. I dunno maybe I went overboard but hey...I'm only human.

The thing is we are only human and that has to be good enough 'cause we aren't going to change that anytime soon.

Peace Bro.

:~)

  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 3:04 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Larrrs,

Oh believe you, me, I’ve made the “Medical Mary-Jay-Wana” suggestion a few times… she’s not biting either! :^)

My best to you and your parents… enjoy every minute (even the head butting times).

Thank You Bro and have a great evening,
Aloha

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
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LifeTravler

Robert, as a former professional caregiver, you may have to step in and INSIST that your mother take some time for herself. I've cared for Alzheimer patients. It's very draining. I know you guys are doing all you can, but.....geez, the two of you won't be worth squat to your grandmother if y'all get worn out yourselves.

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 8:02 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hiya Life-T,

I do not want to give the impression that no one else is helping my mom, she does get relief, the thing is she gets “jumpy” when she is gone for over… oh I’d say 2.5hrs or so, and she is obsessing about grandma again. **Sigh**

But you are correct and I have already addressed this with my siblings, I talked to my sister about taking my mom to a play (or something) - Bo would accompany/drive her (no stress outing is the idea here) and I will take care of gramz. I think it will be a real good thing. :^)

Thank You my Friend!
Aloha

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
LifeTravler

OKay, I can understand that. Still, she HAS to get away regularly. I can almost bet she wouldn't want you or your siblings having to care for her, but if she doesn't take some regular breaks, the next thing you know, she'll be down for the count!

  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
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mstanley2265

ahhh caring for any invalid is taxing ..you might suggest to your mom that if She becomes an invalid then who is going to look after Grandma? (as good as she does). Taking care to two is not going to be easy. prayers and hugs your way

  • 9 votes
Reply#10 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 8:52 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Mstanley,

Good point, and one that really haven‘t thought about… My mother is a very strong woman, I don’t think I can see her being helpless. That bites, thinking she is mortal, that is. ;^)

Thank You, Hugs & Prayers are always welcome. :^)

Have a great day,
Aloha

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
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Rob Ballew

Hey Brother,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. We have recently gone through a similar situation here and I feel for you, you mother, and grandmother. Thanks so very much for sharing this with us.

  • 11 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Rob,
Thank You Bro. We all appreciate it very much.

I hope things are getting better out your way.

Power & Light to you and yours Brother,
Aloha

  • 2 votes
#11.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
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ERich-356044

Hey there! I didn't know you were a 'neighbor' here on the vine!

Alzheimer's is something I wouldn't wish on anyone... I saw my grandmother die of it, and wow.... I will keep you and your whole family in my prayers. Vent all you want here on the vine, we will be happy to help in any way we can!

Lifetraveler has an excellent point, at whatever cost, your mom needs to take some time for herself, as it is crucial for her to do so, even for an hour or two each day. Are there other siblings to help you guys? Hang in there...

Hugs!

E

  • 9 votes
Reply#12 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey ERich,

Oh I was really venting about me mum, not the Alzheimer’s. I’ve been taking my frustrations (in that regard) out on Mono-Theism here on the vine. Hehehe

I do embrace the temporary nature of life… but this Alzheimer’s is unnatural and vile in it’s insidious theft of self. <- I think that wraps things up for me on the subject.

Oh and it is my bad for giving the impression that no one else is helping… there are a few others in the family (immediate and extended) who help-out (Thank the fates).

We be neighbors? Are you in The OC? That would be Cool Beans if’n you are.

Have a good’un,
Aloha

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
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Mrs D-1475814

My mother has Alzheimer's and my father is the care giver. I don't live close to them. My sister and brother do however. My parents are in their early 80s and still live in their home. I get very angry and scared seeing my mom the way she is. It is NOT her anymore. My dad is getting worn out and he listens to our advise but, he just can't do it (them moving to a nursing home where dad can get help with her).

My dad and his brother was abandoned by their mother (she gave them away), after their father died when they were 1 and 2 yoa. A long story short.... my father would never abandon his wife... my mother. I love him for this love but, he is going down in health caring for her. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm emotional and don't know how else to help or deal with my feelings.

Robertlyn... maybe that is how your mother feels. I don't know but, this is the worst thing seeing my mother, who was so strong and viable, not remember anything. She always took pride in cleanliness and she always said "we may not have money but, soap is cheap". What really gets to me, if she knew what she was doing, she would be so humiliated. We were poor then, but she always took pride in her family and worked hard to care for us all. This weighs on me everyday and I have no answers. I so wish I could take the weight off their shoulders.

I so appreciate hearing your story. ((((Robertlyn))))

  • 9 votes
Reply#13 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Mrs. D,

Oh, I know exactly what you are saying.
I said something about this in some of the comments above, but my main concern is my mom taking some time for herself - if that means my sister dragging her to a matinee show at one of the local playhouses (she loves the theater)… So be it! :^)

My best to you and yours - Power & Light!
Aloha

  • 6 votes
#13.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
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XNihil0Zer0

I don't know if your mother has considered it, but my mother found an intergenerational day program which my grandmother loved while she was still fairly lucid. My grandmother has always been sucker for little kids so it was often hard to get her to leave at the end of the day. They'd do craft projects, play games, and even go on the occasional field trip. It was great because my mom got a break from caregiving and my grandmother got to be mentally engaged and socialized. I really think it has made all the difference, it's been 10 years since she's been diagnosed, but she only had to go into a home 18 months ago. While it makes me sad that she no longer knows who I am, and that she is struggling with basic things like feeding herself, I am glad that she has been able to remain positive while making this transition. She seems happier than those of us who are watching her go through this. She's always singing even though she has forgotten most of the words to the song.

  • 7 votes
Reply#14 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey XN-ZerO,

Unfortunatly my grandma has lost so much weight that a car ride causes her pain (no padding on her frame). She does not even go to physical therapy anymore.

I have tried to get my mom to take Lobo over to the apartment so my Gramz could interact with a gentle K-9… but big dogs are not allowed in Leisure World - and breaking rules is not high on my moms list of “Cool things to do”… I still think it would be a good idea (my take on rules is this: “They are made to be broken” <- Trite, Maybe… But True none the less).

I am glad to hear your gramz is still trying (at least)… mine has given-up (for a long time now)

Have a nice day,

Aloha

  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
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Alex-1337762

Well, in your mom's case I can see where she's coming from. Taking your grandmother to a rest home or assisted living facility would be seen as a failure. Your grandmother raised and took care of you mother, and now she is simply paying her back for the years of care and love that she got when she was growing up.

There is also another way to look at this situation. When your mother was younger putting someone in a rest home was a way of getting rid of someone, not helping them. She may still feel the same way now.

  • 7 votes
Reply#15 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hiya Alex,

Oh No, that is Not an Option! I would not suggest it, even in the guise of my most nasty self.

I do understand what you are saying… it is just not a topic we talk about here.

Have a good’un,
Aloha

  • 1 vote
#15.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
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Gumwars

Happy 4th Rob. We're still thinking of you in the IE.

  • 4 votes
Reply#16 - Sat Jul 3, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Heya Gumwars!

Good to see you Brother. How you be?

I thought you and the clan evacuated the Peoples Republic of California… I know I’m ready to bolt anytime.

Oh do I have a story about the whole freaking weekend - At least I was able to enjoy a nice Independents Day, but the days leading up to and following… Argh!!!

Hope you and the family are well & good,
Aloha

  • 1 vote
#16.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
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Soovivers

You're doing the best you can Robert, and that's all anyone can expect. You offered and I'm fairly sure it was appreciated after she cooled down. I'm glad you wrote this and let us be your sounding board. Take care of yourself.

  • 5 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Jul 6, 2010 7:36 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Sovivers,

Thank you so much for the kind words, my friend. I can only do… What I can only do, ya’know? :^)

Have a great day,
Aloha

  • 2 votes
#18.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
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hoodie_81

Taking care of any ailing parent, grandparent, etc., is a job in itself. Draining and tiring for both parties.

My mother, unfortunately, survived a MASSIVE stroke about 14 years ago leaving her paralyzed on her right side and without speach. She struggled daily just to get through the daily rituals we all take so easily for granted. Her day to day life was not easy nor was it for my father and my siblings. When you have a mother that is strong and is the heart of the family become the weakest of the links, it takes a lot from you, both mentally and physically.

Those who think they can take care of someone who needs day to day, hour to hour care all on their own (in my opinion) needs to take a stand and make some demands on other members of the family. It is not one persons responsibility to take care of any one person, regardless who of the sick one is.

It's nice to want to do it all, but it is not realistic. Life is too short for all of us!!! Plus, other people are missing out on time with you.

I am lying in my bed as I write this and I will be in this bed for 3 months due to an accident. I don't want my daughter to have to be the only one responsible for my care. It's not fair. I'm glad I have 2 people here that are willing to share the burden....as I will do what I can, as much as I can.

  • 4 votes
Reply#19 - Wed Jul 7, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hiya Hoodie,

Thanks for dropping by, and I hope you feel better.

Maybe I will give you a call later... :^)

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 1 vote
#19.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
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